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[rmhrc630]

Originally Posted by arceeguy

Yasser Arafat is a Nobel laureate, so you can take that trophy and stuff it.

Fact is that our president Reagan lowered taxes and increased tax revenue.



Hahahaha! You don't even live here and you are an Obama zealot! That really cracks me up. You just illustrated why socialized medicine sucks. If 30% of Australians buy private insurance, that means that only your "rich" people can afford BETTER coverage than the rest of the public so they can CUT IN LINE for elective procedures. My guess is that the 30% can also get critical treatment (like organ transplants) faster too. I thought universal health care was so that EVERYONE was EQUAL because EVERYONE has a RIGHT to EQUAL care? No better than what we have already with Medicaid and private insurance. If we used "your" socialist system, we'd be spending a lot more than we currently do. Canada has a socialist health care system too, and Canadians travel here to the USA to get critical medical procedures done so they don't have to wait in line in their own country. Yay socialized health care!

You dont need to be an obama zealot to look at some cold hard budgetary facts. Facts which pseudo conservatives such as you dismiss and dodge with alacrity.

7% of GDP budget deficit;

A Govt which has spent and billowed out of control and size. (that's despite what you pseudo conservatives try to spew out)

6% unemployment and climbing

15% of GDP spent on a non-universal health system that is the laughing stock of the world. People dont go to the US to get treated - it costs double to triple what it costs elsewhere !!!!

Sooooo if our system is socialist and only cost 8% of GDP what does it make your system which costs 15% of GDP?

Russia in the dark ages for real conservatives, however it's 2008 for your pseudo conservatives.

You kinda dart around the current facts dont you? You ability to not take responsibility and try to shirk blame on someone who hasnt even gotten into power yet is a real sign of the brainwashed.

Anyone you continue down your track of being a pseudo big spending larger govt conservative who wants tax increases and thinks there's only one way to do things.

Do some travel like other Americans have done and you'll see what other options are available to you and your family. In fact why not come to Australia to live? We speak english and care for our fellow countryman.

[arceeguy]

Originally Posted by rmhrc630

.....Do some travel like other Americans have done and you'll see what other options are available to you and your family. In fact why not come to Australia to live? We speak english and care for our fellow countryman.

Ummmmm - thanks but no thanks!

I know that where I live now, if I need a coronary bypass operation or cataract surgery, I can get it PRONTO because it is not considered "elective" surgery like your socialized system considers it. I would have to have a freakin' heart attack before I could get an "emergency" coronary bypass operation, but then, it may be too late. Looks like you get what you pay for.
Canadians know this, and as much as you deny it, they flock here for medical treatment. If your country were closer, I'd bet your countrymen would do the same. I may be a "pseudo conservative" to you, but you are a "real" Marxist to me.

[racerx]

At some point, we'll have to simply agree to disagree. Have we not had more than enough bunker mentality for the past 40 years? When dumbya took office, we heard about how he was "saddled with the policy failures of the previous administration". Now folks of a certain mindset are already blaming the new president-elect before he's even taken office... for f***sake(!) Way too many learned their "facts" from Fox news. Yep, no bias there...oh wait...they're "left wing liberals". Cooling things down, just for a moment, the questions to ask oneself, before passing speculative judgement, "What results have we seen and who was in charge?" Slick Wille was, at best, a C- president. But one person getting illicit b***j**s doens't compare to an entire country being ass-raped. We're well-insulated from "government by the people" by the "two-party system". It's like being given the choice between herpes and AIDS. It'd be insane to choose something known to be fatal and repeating the same behavior while expecting a different outcome is a definition of insanity. Yep, the dems are lame but after 40 years of power consolidation (and just who was it that took us down the slippery slope of fiat currency?) we know what the other side has to offer. More of the same anyone?

Consider:

We're constantly hearing about the "liberal media bias". I can name a dozen right-wing talking heads who do nothing but sneer at the dimbulbs who lap-up the abuse. Where are all of the op-ed blasters from the opposite side? I mean, they shouldn't be hard to find, since they predominate. Fact is, that 3 corporations control 97% of our media, or more accurately "department of propaganda"

The dollar amount we spend on "health care" has tripled in less than a decade. It's also the same amount the "fortunate 400" raked in, year by year. So, 30% of GDP going to a broken health system (that admitted to 40% being lost to "administration") and 400 "humanitarians" like the heirs of Sam Walton (woohoo! check out their stylish new bunkers) are hallmarks of how to do things right? Add-in defense and imperial army spending and that's close to 50% of GDP. We outspend every other country on earth for "health care" both on an aggregate and per-capita basis by 2-to-1, minimum. For that we get the best humanity has to offer. Whoops...we're #37 out of 38 in terms of actual results. We still get to brag... Lithuania's infant mortality rate is still higher than ours. Yes, PHHHHBBBBTTTTT!!! Lithuania. Care to insure you family, the policy will cost more than median wage, pre-tax. US life expectancy is dropping, we execute the uninsured through neglect, about 40,000 annually, and their ranks are 60,000,000+ and growing. (Twice the population of Canada) Yes, some come here from other countries for major medical procedures. A lot more a traveling abroad FROM here and the number is growing. Ever here of medical tourism? Americans are traveling to places like Chile, Asian countries and even western Europe for medical treatments that cost 1/3 - 1/5 of what they do here, including airfare & lodging for family members. At this rate, conservative estimates indicate yearly premiums averaging mid $50K range by 2015. They've all undershot reality for years now. By 2004, 2/3 of all US personal bankruptcy filings were due to medial expenses incurred by people WITH insurance. Hmmm, 2.4 trillion for health care = bad (and I'd agree with that, the returns have been piss-poor), $7 trillion for imperial wars is good...WTF!?

But there have been successes, right? Let's see now...

Median earnings have increased, right? In 2000 it was just shy of 32K, by 2007 that number had risen to just shy of $24K...whoops

Well, let's see there were something like 15 mil without health insurance, now there's...ummm...ooops

Okay, oil was $18 a barrel, now it's...ummm....errrr...damn

Our country was well-repsected by most of the world and ....ummm...

Hmmm, I must be nitpicking. Let's see, in 2000 we had a budget surplus, yeah that's the ticket. The "conservative, limited-government" folks came in and showed those "big -government tax & spend guys" how to grow that into the biggest debt/deficit in recorded history. Oh dear, I must just be lookiing in the wrong places. Let's try again...

Everyone's retirement savings have grown. I mean, the stock market indices have risen...whoops....dammit...not another badly-chosen example.

Here's a lock... we "knew where those WMDs were" yessireee, no doubt, zero, zip, zilch, nada. They turned out to be...ummm...errr...that is...well, at least we won the war. It's been years now since "mission accomplished" and all the troops are home and...uhhh...oh dear

Well, at least with those "conservative" fiscal policies, we're all prospering, yeah that's it that's the ticket. Let's see now, home prices are higher...uhhh...wait, no that's just the taxes. But bankruptcies have dropped...uuhhh...oh my.

More successes:

Let's get real and start thinking for ourselves. If you love your country, and I do, then strive to make it better. We need excellence, what we keep getting isn't even up to "mediocrity" yet. Step one is dealing with what's wrong and that cannot be done without acknowledging the problems in the first place. The main issue is corporate power run amok. Coroporations own the goverment, cash & carry, outright. "The media" (behemoth international conglomerates themselves) sells the deception to the masses and the courts and law enforcement are the leg-breakers who who make Tony Soprano blush. Meanwhile, the country is divided into warring factions, using buzzwords in place of thought: "liberal", "conservative", "right wing", "left wing", "tax & spend", "socialist" (if 1% of the populace knows the true meaning of that term, so freely bandied about, I'd be shocked). "Isms" are someone else doing your thinking for you, they are lame excuses, too often. In the words of Ferris Bueller "isms are not good". It's all part of recurring cycle. Sadly, it has always taken a crisis to bring about positive change. The country only propsers during those interim periods between collapses and reconsolidation. Human nature is the one constant, limiting power concentration is the only thing that can keep the base/fugly side of it at bay. At this point, we've exceeded third-world imbalances; no matter who's in charge, we're going to take a beating...best case scenario. Worst case, with no manufacturing base, we become defenseless. Who has built the military machinery over the past century or so? Face it, we're all citizens of the world, most of us here are Americans and we are all in deep shit right now. Is it really worth hurling insults and fighting amongst ourselves like brain-injured apes? If you've ever entertained consipiracy-theorist thoughts, isn't that what "they" would want to happen? Divide and conquer. We're divided, what do suppose the next step might be? When/if that happens, it won't matter who is winning the argument over which one of us is the brightest peanut in the turd.

[FMGT1999]

As of today (Nov. 17. 08) here in Kansas City, Mo. the cheap fuel is going for 1.69 and on the Kansas City, Ks. side it's at 1.72. Nice to see the cost of fuel going back down again. Now the question is how long will it last?

Kyle

[racerx]

Originally Posted by FMGT1999

As of today (Nov. 17. 08) here in Kansas City, Mo. the cheap fuel is going for 1.69 and on the Kansas City, Ks. side it's at 1.72. Nice to see the cost of fuel going back down again. Now the question is how long will it last?

Kyle

It's about 0.10 higher in SE MI, for the moment. For the past eight years, prices always seem to drop around the holiday season, gotta encourage those gift shoppers (though it's probably too little & far too late for this year). $60 oil equates with $2.50 gas, varying by the location across the country, if one can believe the info given to the general public. But, fear not, since 2000, we've yet to be disappointed by prices not spiking just in time for summer vacation season.

[TrailRyd3r]

Got it for 1.78 today in my truck.

Am I in the right thread? This is the gas price thread right? Or is this the post your political BS...

[dennis d]

$1.59 gal. for regular unleaded today.

[rmhrc630]

Last fill up of Diesel - US$ 93 cents per liter or US $3.52 per gallon

[racerx]

Regular now $1.69, diesel still hanging tough around $3.20.

I'll take the cheap gas while it's available, but don't expect these prices to hold for long barring a major upheaval somewhere. Sub-$2.00 gas and $50+ oil just don't equate, based on the published "formula". Feels a bit like waiting for the other shoe to drop...

[dennis d]

Diesel $2.45 today / Reg. unleaded $ 2.55

Damn,i should have kept the Suburban ! (today anyway)